HAS THE CHURCH BECOME IRRELAVENT? PLUS DISCUSSION AT AWRM.ORG

HAS THE CHURCH BECOME IRRELEVANT?

By Chuck Baldwin
August 25, 2009
NewsWithViews.com

America’s Christian heritage is both rich and deep. What most historians and educators refuse to acknowledge, our forebears understood clearly: it was mostly Christians and churches that formed and shaped the new land that became known as the United States of America.

For example, when discussing the brave exploits of the passengers on board the Mayflower, people seem to have forgotten that the voyage was mostly the endeavor of a single church congregation. And don’t forget that it was Pastor Jonas Clark’s male congregants who withstood British troops at Lexington and fired the very first of the shots heard ’round the world. The famous French historian, Alexis De Tocqueville, credited the pulpits and churches of Colonial America with inspiring America’s successful War for Independence and subsequent prosperity much more than its institutions of learning, halls of Congress, or industries of invention. From the very beginning, America’s Christians and pastors were intricately involved in the establishment and building of this republic.

It is no hyperbole to say that without the influence, sacrifice, dedication, blood, sweat, and tears of America’s early Christians, this country would not exist.

But what do we see today? We see pastors and church congregations who are, for the most part, totally ignorant of their own heritage and history. They have little or no understanding of the principles of Natural Law–something America’s founders knew almost by second nature (no pun intended). They seem to know next to nothing of the Biblical principles of liberty and government. All they seem to be able to do is regurgitate some mindless interpretation of Romans 13–an interpretation that could have been written by King George III or even Adolf Hitler.

Read my column regarding Romans 13.

Ignoring the great examples and exhortations of both Testaments, today’s Christians seem to have lazily latched onto a modern-day “divine right of kings” philosophy, through which they have become the pathetic slaves of arrogant and pompous political wolves dressed (barely) in the sheepskins of legitimacy.

Where are America’s watchmen on the wall? Where are the great stories of courage and commitment demonstrated by America’s founders that once emanated from church pulpits? How is it that today’s Christians know more about sports celebrities than they do America’s heroes? How is it that these lying, conniving, con artists called politicians can sucker church members as easily as they do the un-churched? How is it that Christians do not seem to recognize the devilish doctrines of socialism, fascism, elitism, or globalism for what they are? How can they be so easily manipulated? How is it that these corrupt politicians–who vote to kill unborn babies, merge America into internationalist and global entities, strip Americans of their God-given natural right of self defense, promote homosexual marriage, or allow America to lose its identity, culture, and heritage through unbridled illegal immigration–remain in “good standing” with any number of supposed “Christian” churches?

Even though there are more churches in America than anywhere else in the world, the pastors and Christians of this country have, for the most part, become completely irrelevant to preserving “the blessings of liberty”–or even fundamental Biblical principles, for that matter.

Churches used to be respected as lighthouses in communities: places free from the jaundiced juxtaposition of political correctness and avarice. Today’s churches are filled with both. Where once churches stood as guardians of truth, they have now become progenitors of error. Where once preachers stood in the similitude of Elijah and John the Baptist, they now grovel in the image of Joel Osteen and Rick Warren. Sunday Schools were once bastions of Bible teaching; today they are glorified coffee shops and playgrounds. The modern Christian home cannot even disciple its own children: how can it then be expected to “make disciples of all nations”?

I repeat: the modern American church has, for the most part, become irrelevant.

It is little wonder that more and more people are losing interest in the organized church. Instead of finding Christian love and kindness, they find the same kind of gossip, slander, petty bickering, favoritism, and selfishness that they might find at any office water cooler. Instead of hearing a prophet of God declare the Word of God, they hear a milquetoast minister meekly musing the latest self-help book.

The complete irrelevance of today’s organized church in America to the preservation of Christian liberty and constitutional government is especially disconcerting to those of us who still have freedom’s fire burning in our souls. Where do we go for respite and instruction?

I tell you the truth: there are hundreds of thousands of patriotic, freedom-minded Christians all over America who have had it “up to here” with these spineless social clubs called churches! They are tired of petrified pastors groveling before corrupt politicians and businessmen. They hunger for truth, and they are not finding it in most organized churches.

As an example, go to my list of people who have written me to let me know that they are desperately seeking a Black Regiment-type church that they can attend. The list grows by the day. See the list here.

These people are not looking to be entertained or pampered. They do not care about social standing or making “business contacts.” They don’t care which church has the “most exciting” youth program, or how many softball teams it has. They want a church where the pastor isn’t afraid to speak truth to power and take a stand for liberty. And, unfortunately, such churches are getting harder and harder to find.

In fact, I submit that the true church is not “emerging”; it is “submerging.” As in totalitarian regimes all over the world, where there are basically two types of churches: the organized State-approved church, where people who worship the State go to put on a religious show; and the underground church, where real Christians go to worship God with honest, likeminded believers.

The “underground” church in America is not totally underground–yet. But the schism is taking place rapidly. Unlike the houses of State Worship, which enjoy large congregations and ornate buildings, underground churches are, for the most part, small and unassuming. Home churches are also mushrooming and must be considered part of the underground church movement. And, of course, Black Regiment churches are springing up all across the country. See the list of Black Regiment churches here.

I am convinced that it is through these independent, unaffiliated, unorganized, or underground churches that relevancy will return. It is in these churches where Christians can be taught the Biblical principles of Natural Law, where children who are disciplined and know how to behave are not considered oddities, where pastors aren’t afraid to proclaim truth, where people are still committed to constitutional government–and understand the difference between a democracy and a republic–and where self-serving neocons are not regarded as heroes.

So, if you are a Christian and you want to be relevant to the preservation of liberty in this country, you need to get out of these establishment, State-worshipping churches and find yourself an “underground,” unaffiliated, or Black Regiment church. And you need to do it quickly!

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© 2009 Chuck Baldwin – All Rights Reserved
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safetalker
Senior Member
Member # 4025

posted 08-26-2009 04:49 PM
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You have to realize that the difference is Tax code 501.C. To keep the church in the tall cotton they enjoy they swear not to be politically involved. If they do, or even seem to, the Tax free status drops and the Tax man cometh.
We need churches that have revised their operating plan and turned in their 501.c, and survived the onslaught. Churches with pastors, Rabi’s, Omans, and priests who care more for their parishioners than their income.
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fal3
Moderator

Member # 69

posted 08-27-2009 08:59 PM
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Lets try and get things in perspective.
The 501(C)3 issue is a symptom, not a cause.

The real issue is that even “church people” no longer have a fear of the Lord.

If they did, the churches would be out winning people to Christ, not selling raffle tickets and washing cars. If God’s people had a genuine fear of the Lord, they wouldn’t fear what the government could do, but would fear what God will do if they back away from His Word.

And that is where most churches stand today in America. They fear what man can do, and God will bring judgment on them, as well as this country as a whole.

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“Take heed: watch and pray, for ye know not when the time is.” — Mark 13:33.

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Breacher
Senior Member
Member # 1119

posted 08-28-2009 12:51 AM
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I don’t begrudge churches that engage in commercial activities of any sort, including raffles or car washes because those are social activities which help to solidify the identity of the congregation.

Personally, I could see congregations opening and running outright businesses. It never seemed all that wrong when the old European monasteries did it. Heck, my favorite German beer came from a monastery. How many American churches would have half the congregation choking on their muffins if the pastor tabled the idea of opening a church sponsored brewery to be staffed by single out of work young men who would be living on site. Instead of preaching for donations all the time, a bunch of church activities would be paid for by the brewery.

How about a church run academy that takes in homeless and poor youth, or heck wealthier youth too, and has them work during the day at a number of tasks, some of which are profitable, and then evenings or every other day or so, they learn fighting skills. The academy sends graduates out from time to time to bring enemies of the church or congregation to justice, and yes, when those who are the beneficiaries of that justice see that it is done, the academy collects the reward. That’s your basic Shaolin Monastary, a pattern which was also copied by the Christians of the middle ages prior to the great church Schisms.

I have recently been studying the Orthodox church, and due to their years of living under oppressive rule, they figured out all sorts of ways to just not lose the core of their faith to government dictates, although history tells us that some were just plain screwy sellouts (like those who joined with the Ottoman Turks in the invasion of central Europe). Then you got those genocidal Serbs hunting down descendants of those who sold out to the Turks.. They do have this concept of communion with the saints, basically a sort of identification with church members whether they are alive or dead. That whole concept of memory and record-keeping is phenomenal.

As for taxing or not taxing pastors. Who says they would or would not get a salary? A lot of the leaders of modern American Christianity pay personal income taxes as authors of books based on the book sales (with all appropriate deductions of course), but the money you throw in the basket at a church should always have about the same likelihood of being taxed as the money you stuff in the panties of some single mom working as an exotic dancer regardless of what the laws say.

Donate cash, don’t ask too many questions. If it looks and sounds like they are doing supports the Lord’s purpose, let Him handle the payback. I mean, so what if a preacher or pastor drops his 501.C status, or never applies for it in the first place and you hand him a few hundred bucks to take along his trip to feed orphans in outer Mongolia? Someone gonna snitch? What does God do to snitches? Someone gonna be a real tax collector prick?

Lets see it has been 2000 years and while Jews claim that Jesus was not that special, it is not exactly a proud moment to name a newborn “Judas” any more. In fact, I think there are more Jews in the world today with names like Matthew, Mark, Luke, John or Paul then “Judas”. I mean, naming a kid “Judas” up to that time was usually in honor of Judas Maccabeus, roughly the equivalent to naming a kid after George Washington, or maybe blacks naming their kid Malcolm. Now, what would anyone of any faith with any common sense NOT name their kid? I mean, you find the most ignorant backwoods hick anywhere, and suggest naming a newborn “Judas”, and someone is likely to just backhand whoever comes up with the idea. Find the worst third generation welfare collecting crack smoking ghetto rats and say, hey, lets name the kid “Judas Jones”..NOT going to happen. You look at the poor saps on facebook who have “Judas” somewhere in their name. Poor Schmucks probably wish they were just named Samuel or Joshua or something like that. Then you want to see really screwed up looking people search facebook for people who have “Iscariot” somewhere in their name. And people think religion is dead…

Oh how about “Pontious”, yeah that’s a popular Italian name – NOT.

How about another well known law enforcer of ancient times. Yeah, name a kid “Herod”. Suuure, we got “Herod Jones”, oh, and “Herod Spinweinowitcz”, well not exactly. A quick check on facebook shows a bunch of people with a last name of Herod, but that’s a last name they got stuck with somewhere, probably put on them when their ancestors hit Ellis Island and did not know the meaning of the name, and others got it stuck on them when their ancestors were freed from slavery in the 1800s (they are either white, black or mixed white/black).

Frank Zappa, no matter how much LSD he is on when his next kid is born is going to say to himself “hmm, I want to give my kid a real memorable controversial name so he will be famous – Herod Zappa… Then send him to Catholic school just so he can get slapped around by nuns every day…

Christianity is not dead by a long shot.

[ 08-28-2009, 10:46 AM: Message edited by: Breacher ]
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J. Croft
Senior Member
Member # 3405

posted 08-29-2009 10:49 AM
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Y’know, the same principles needed to take over a small town through a recall election could work on a church. Why not? You got a Pastor, some Board to administer, Deacons, Church Lady, etc.

If you want to take over a small town one good step would be to take over one of its churches. Flood the membership with Patriots and their families, until you reach a solid majority. If the Pastor isn’t on board-call for a new pastor. If the Board isn’t on board… alright pun but anyway, if the Board won’t play ball-fire em. Deacons and Church Ladies can be swept aside once administrave control of the church is realized. Best not to try it with the rich local church where all the Masons go once a week to play the part that they’re respectable public servants and local businessmen.

THEN Breacher’s ideals come into play-and why didn’t I think of them?! Plus your Church can be used to springboard into town politics. Church-run businesses could help save a local economy and restart a dead one. Kids in gangs could be Kid in gangs that help the church out with its businesses, enforce justice, etc.

To quote Breacher:

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I could see congregations opening and running outright businesses. It never seemed all that wrong when the old European monasteries did it. Heck, my favorite German beer came from a monastery. How many American churches would have half the congregation choking on their muffins if the pastor tabled the idea of opening a church sponsored brewery to be staffed by single out of work young men who would be living on site. Instead of preaching for donations all the time, a bunch of church activities would be paid for by the brewery.

How about a church run academy that takes in homeless and poor youth, or heck wealthier youth too, and has them work during the day at a number of tasks, some of which are profitable, and then evenings or every other day or so, they learn fighting skills. The academy sends graduates out from time to time to bring enemies of the church or congregation to justice, and yes, when those who are the beneficiaries of that justice see that it is done, the academy collects the reward. That’s your basic Shaolin Monastary, a pattern which was also copied by the Christians of the middle ages prior to the great church Schisms.

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The problem will come from opposition from all the so called “quality people” so that’s when you start a Recall Election. Ought to be doing that anyway.

Fair warning: I’m putting this thread up on my blogs.

J. Croft

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